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I am shooting birds with a Nikon D7200. It like me is a bit old. I have a Z6ii and a D750 but would like to upgrage my bird camera. I cant afford a Z9, they are over 11grand here in Oz so was wondering if the Z7ii was fast enough for birds or should I look at the old D850?
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You probably already have the answer Kim as you have a Z6II. It'll be pretty similar. Whilst I love the Z7II I have, its not the same at all regards the Z9, A1, R5 abilities. Having said that, If you set it to Dynamic or Wide S/L and help it by pre-focusing, it aught to be better than the D7200. (I had the older D7100 which had a poor buffer but could still get Birds in flight). A D850 will do the job, but I'd be tempted to hold fire as sooner or later the Z9 AF technology will drift into the lower range bodies....(just not yet).... If you are not after Swallows, small birds etc, whilst you won't have the keeper rate, I'm confident it'll do most of the time...(guessing you are looking for the higher rez body, otherwise I'd stick with the Z6II till the next bodies come out of Nikon). There's a guy on another forum that has done many incoming Swans in flight shots on the Z6II and has recently acquired a Z9. The Z6II being used were all winter shots in poor light and were fine. Cannot naturally comment or make any recommendations on another's experience, but it is do-able. If one's expectations are for a Z9, R5/R3, A1/A9 af performance that is still comparing apples to oranges. Mostly, I feel its about recognising and balancing expectations against what any particular model is capable of. Hope it helps and hope others can chip in. Ultimately, its your shout. Make your life spectacular! NSN00525
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Thank you David for your full reply. I am 78 and female so I don't really want to go to a heaver body as it will be too much for me. I have to use a monopod and gimble now and cant handhold any more. I like what you said about the better features trickling down to the lesser bodies, only thing is can I last that long? I was thinking the Z7II will have more pixels to enable cropping to compensate for the crop factor of the D7200.
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Hi Kim. From a point of view with pixels, both the D850 and Z7II will do fine. I like the focus options on the Z7II and its quietness, so if you don't do a lot of birds in flight it'll do fine. I remember your problems with hands a few years back so can only say that if the monopod and gymbal keep you doing what you love, that is a good, good thing. The D850 AF system is better for BIF, and I believe cheaper to buy in Oz than the Z7II, so may be the better choice for BIF. The Z7II has quietness on its side. (the D850 sounds like a tractor). The AF options for the edges of the frame are superior. F lenses are sharper on the Z. I had the D850 and happily ditched it. It doesn't mean that is right for you, but was for me. Make your life spectacular! NSN00525
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Thanks David. It is impressive you remembered my troubles with my hands. I did notice when I tried my F lens on the Z6II that the results were sharper so I think I may give the 7 a go. It will be good for my nightscape photography too I think.
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Not a brilliant image, Kim... but was the first of that tracking sequence. Apologies for taking forever to post it. (it's a pretty poor image... but does show the Z7II can lock on. Pigeon moved from our right to our left and back, very quick to get at the feeder and was very much a grab shot...) There were 4 frames between this and the one I originally posted... Make your life spectacular! NSN00525
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I too am "stuck" on Nikon, but have you considered a Canon R5 or R6 and the Canon 800mm f/11 lens? You didn't say what lens you are using so don't know how the weight/cost would compare but the Canon's seem to have almost as good tracking as the Z9 (there are also fans of the OM1 for its lightness and tracking abilities).
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I'm still using Nikon D500 with the 500 f.5.6 lens for 90% of my bird shots. I can't think of a better, lighter combination yet in the Nikon world, though I haven't tried any of their mirrorless cameras. I'm waiting for Nikon to catch up with both better mirrorless and longer lighter lenses. I too am about your age and don't walk around with my set-up, but I can hand hold that combo with arthritic hands for short periods of time, and from my car, with the lens resting on the open window. I don't use a monopod much because I end up lifting both camera and pod to get those little birds in the tops of the trees. I do have D850, but it's heavy, slower and harder to focus for my purposes. Hope that helps. Cynthia (Cindy) Crawford-Moderator, Photo & Digital Art
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Ditto - another +1 for the D500 & 500mm PF combo - excellent workhorse team - even in the mirrorless era
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Both of us my wife and I have two systems; Nikon and Sony. Last edited by Karl Egressy on Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
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One of my pigeons doing a pose. At 100% with the Z7II and Z 100-400 S. Not knocking the D500. Darn good camera Kim. Works a treat, locks on fast but limited image size at 20mp. Had one for a few years. Make your life spectacular! NSN00525
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I have been doing birds with both Z7 and Z7II for quite a while now, but I have really missed focusing capabilities of my old D850's especially for BIF, my go to lens has been the 500mm f/5.6 PF- Age is catching up and I have eliminated all my really big glass like 400 f/2.8 and 600mm f/4 as soon as I got hands on the 500 PF. No more super heavy stuff for me hauling on to planes and up mountain slopes. Michael L. Gray
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How does the weight of a Z9 and Z 400 f/4.5 compare with Nikon D850 and 500PF? Cynthia (Cindy) Crawford-Moderator, Photo & Digital Art
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Weight slightly favors D850 w/ 500PF at 84.3 Oz vs 88.6 oz for Z9 and 400mm f/4.5 - that is assuming no Md-D18 which I used on my old D850 otherwise weight of Z9 and 400 would be lighter option. All in this series were in focus Michael L. Gray
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Thanks for that very comprehensive overview. I am still looking for a cheaper option , despite the wonders of a mirrorless rig. I am somewhat daunted by the learning curve and cost involved with a switch, and quite honestly, do OK with my D500 and the 500PF as my go-to bird camera and lens. I use my D850 with the 300f/4 lens for closer shots in my yard. Have not tried a TC with either combination. I don't think I've ever scared a bird or animal with shutter noise. That said, I can really appreciate the value of your particular set-up, for someone much more mobile, stronger, and active than I am! I do wish my cameras had eye detection.... I don't know if this is much help to you, Kim, given your initial inquiry, but there's a lot of good information in this thread in any case! Cynthia (Cindy) Crawford-Moderator, Photo & Digital Art
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Part of the "fun" of switching to the mirrorless system is to challenge one's brain (in my case, a 72 yo brain that is rapidly failing though not as fast as my body). But any gain is, IMO, incremental. The D500 and 500mm PF are a fantastic combo. And for many of my trips I used the D7200 (before the D500 was released) and thought it was great too. Unfortunately I don't see myself getting back to those places that I went with the D7200. So enjoy what one can afford and carry! The Z9 is much heavier than the D500. And tomorrow there is sure to be something new that will be released to tempt one's wallet.
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I know what you are talking about - reason I no longer have a 600 f/4 or 400 f2.8 Michael L. Gray
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