Game Mechanics - Abigail's Flower 🌺[Nerf] (2024)

The item isn't overpowered, it's not egregious, and it doesn't necessarily ruin progression, but it certainly sends a bad message.

1. The item can be obtained with almost no adventuring or exploration, whatsoever.
2. The item can sometimes introduce a Player to metagaming in the early stages of gameplay, unintentionally.
3. "Self-Termination" should never be a strategy or "solution", especially without any context.

My minor suggestions.

• Abigail's Flower cannot grow from a Tombstone, unless Grass Blocks are located in the outer lateral thirds of the Map.
  • Jungle and Mushroom Grass are exempt from this restriction.
  • Sky Grass is also excluded from this restriction.
• Abigail's Flower cannot grow from a Tombstone nearest to the center of the World Map [Spawn], unless a Boss has been defeated and a Lantern Night/ Event has occurred.
  • King Slime or EoC being slain raises some restrictions [Spawn].
  • An Evil Boss being slain raises all the suggested restrictions.
• Abigail's Flower cannot grow from a Tombstone on "Evil Grass" unless that Boss has been slain.

Overall, this just discourages Players from building a tall, dirt tower... and tossing themselves from it repeatedly, before actually engaging with anything else the game has to offer.

Depressed Snow Grouse said:

Wooden Weapons have the same issue (Besides the fact that you have to kill yourself for it.) Should they also be nerfed?

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Yeah, wooden weapons need a nerf.

Green_Darthknight🐿️ said:

Yeah, wooden weapons need a nerf.

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I don't actually think they need a nerf, I was just pointing that out.
EDIT: Just noticed you were being sarcastic.

Depressed Snow Grouse said:

See Also

Talk:Abigail's Flower - Terraria Wiki posters for saleGame Mechanics - Abigail's Flower 🌺[Nerf]Abigail's Flower - Terraria Japan WikiAbigail's Flower

I don't actually think they need a nerf, I was just pointing that out.
EDIT: Just noticed you were being sarcastic.

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Actually, I was only being 25% sarcastic. I think a nerf to regular wooden weapons would be good.

Stellar Mastodon 267 said:

Your reasoning makes sense, but recall Abigail’s flower is a crossover item. Is your proposed change in line with the DST canon?

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He only proposes changing the rarity. That has absolutely nothing to do with the DST canon in that aspect

a really far away planet said:

He only proposes changing the rarity. That has absolutely nothing to do with the DST canon in that aspect

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How does one obtain Abigail’s Flowing in DST? Optimally it should be the same way. If A’sF can be obtained right of the bat in DST, why not in Terraria?

Stellar Mastodon 267 said:

How does one obtain Abigail’s Flowing in DST? Optimally it should be the same way. If A’sF can be obtained right of the bat in DST, why not in Terraria?

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if i remember correctly, abigail's flower is a starting piece of equipment for wendy, her still-living sister. not sure if there's any other way to get the item in don't starve

Golden Heretic Snakeboat said:

if i remember correctly, abigail's flower is a starting piece of equipment for wendy, her still-living sister. not sure if there's any other way to get the item in don't starve

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I'm 99% sure that you're remembering correctly; I remember seeing that on the DST wiki.

so like, Abigail sucks, but she also doesnt need to be that good since she can be obtained so easily. Just some aid at the start of a playthrough

make her unobtainable early game (either directly by locking her behind a boss, or indirectly by forcing you to travel to basically the ocean or a sky island, by which point you will have some gear already) and she wont be any good anymore, you won't be far off from Flinxy Boy and after getting him you won't ever use her again

Depressed Snow Grouse said:

Wooden Weapons have the same issue (Besides the fact that you have to kill yourself for it.) Should they also be nerfed?

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J Bame said:

so like, Abigail sucks, but she also doesnt need to be that good since she can be obtained so easily. Just some aid at the start of a playthrough

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Firstly, Abigail "sucking" is just your opinion [and a bad one at that], her being good or not is beside the point. Even the Finch Staff [outside of Journey Mode] requires the Player to actually play the game, and its potential is very limited, Abigail is still relevant in early-Hardmode; the fact that I even have to explain this is wild, but this is TCF after all...

J Bame said:

make her unobtainable early game (either directly by locking her behind a boss, or indirectly by forcing you to travel to basically the ocean or a sky island, by which point you will have some gear already) and she wont be any good anymore, you won't be far off from Flinxy Boy and after getting him you won't ever use her again

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Flinx Gear is both Underground Tundra and Gold Tier; at best, this change would make Abigail's Flower "Surface Jungle" Tier or "Tall Tree Lands" Tier, to pre-King Slime at the very most. If you're gonna exaggerate, at least restrain from jumping the shark twice, Geez Louise!

Big Sammich said:

What's the point of changing this? How does this make the game better? I would reckon that most people don't go out of their way to get Abigail's Flower even in a Summoner playthrough unless they're really serious about having a Summoner weapon from the very start. They just get the Flinx Staff, and if they die before that, they'll leave their tombstone near their base and hope the flower spawns.

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...because the current exploit surrounding this item is distasteful and offensive. The item is based off of a character Wendy who is mourning the loss of her twin sister's "self sacrifice" to save her life. I'm assuming this isn't a tongue-in-cheek reference to "self-termination", and so I'm suggesting the Devs slightly change how this item is obtained. For all of the Terrarians here that openly admit to suffering from depression, it's weird to see so many of y'all fighting me on this one...

...I'm assuming that the method to obtain this item quickly, is a coincidental and unintentional "joke", so even if nobody likes my suggested changes, it still needs to be changed.

Toxophilite [East] said:

...because the current exploit surrounding this item is distasteful and offensive. The item is based off of a character Wendy who is mourning the loss of her twin sister's "self sacrifice" to save her life. I'm assuming this isn't a tongue-in-cheek reference to "self-termination", and so I'm suggesting the Devs slightly change how this item is obtained. For all of the Terrarians here that openly admit to suffering from depression, it's weird to see so many of y'all fighting me on this one...

...I'm assuming that the method to obtain this item quickly, is a coincidental and unintentional "joke", so even if nobody likes my suggested changes, it still needs to be changed.

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How is it "distasteful" and "offensive"? You'd think Klei would say something if they did find something distasteful or even have a say in how things are obtained. If you look at the Wiki, since you can't just start off with Abigail like DST it is instead like how you get her in Don't Starve

I think it is a really nice way of being added to the game, if something dies then Abigail can spawn. Your suggestion takes it further from the game Don't Starve and honestly doesn't solve the self termination "issue", people will simply go to wherever and repeat deaths then let those tombstones grow Abigail.

by the time anyone has more than one minion slot, ab will be obsolete

so this wouldn't really do anything except for the abigail-only challenge

kirbo21 said:

by the time anyone has more than one minion slot, ab will be obsolete

so this wouldn't really do anything except for the abigail-only challenge

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Well, the flower does get a power boost upon entering hardmode so it is viable for a bit longer than others.

Heath04🌳 said:

How is it "distasteful" and "offensive"? You'd think Klei would say something if they did find something distasteful or even have a say in how things are obtained. If you look at the Wiki, since you can't just start off with Abigail like DST it is instead like how you get her in Don't Starve

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...obviously the difference here is that the Protagonist has to "destroy" Enemies to activate the Flower's effect, there's nothing here that ever suggests there's a reward for the Protagonist dying or "self-terminating". The difference between obtaining Abigail in DST and in Terraria currently by your own reasoning is a canyon!

Heath04🌳 said:

I think it is a really nice way of being added to the game, if something dies then Abigail can spawn. Your suggestion takes it further from the game Don't Starve and honestly doesn't solve the self termination "issue", people will simply go to wherever and repeat deaths then let those tombstones grow Abigail.

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...not even close, you don't get Abigail by "something dying" [which seems a bit more reasonable], you get her when the Protagonist dies.

If anything, it'd make more sense if the Player had a chance of starting the game with Abigail's Flower as a Starter Minion instead of Finch Staff, on Special Seeds, or even a chance of getting one from a Graveyard when enemies are destroyed, but as it currently stands, you can only get Abigail's Flower by killing the Protagonist [or hardcore NPCs], which is fine if you had to at-least be killed by actual Enemies [which the nerf would encourage]. I'd rather a Player have to at least build something first, or make their way to the Jungle Biome, before repeatedly tossing themselves from a high structure.

Toxophilite [East] said:

...because the current exploit surrounding this item is distasteful and offensive. The item is based off of a character Wendy who is mourning the loss of her twin sister's "self sacrifice" to save her life. I'm assuming this isn't a tongue-in-cheek reference to "self-termination", and so I'm suggesting the Devs slightly change how this item is obtained. For all of the Terrarians here that openly admit to suffering from depression, it's weird to see so many of y'all fighting me on this one...

...I'm assuming that the method to obtain this item quickly, is a coincidental and unintentional "joke", so even if nobody likes my suggested changes, it still needs to be changed.

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so let me get this straight: killing yourself immediately for a cool weapon = offensive and distasteful, and should be changed

killing yourself 10% of the way through the game for the same weapon = perfectly acceptable

do i have this right?